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Episode 78 - How to Deploy Empathy to Truly Understand User Needs (with Michele Hansen, Author "Deploy Empathy")

Product Discovery
User Research

Episode 78: How to Deploy Empathy to Truly Understand User Needs

Michele Hansen, Author "Deploy Empathy"

1 Sep 2021

1 Sep 2021 Michele Hansen head shot

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About the Episode

An interview with Michele Hansen. Michele is the founder of Geocodio, a startup she founded without taking external funding. She is also the author of "Deploy Empathy", a book that aims to help product teams & founders to get better at user research & get the insights they need.

We speak about a lot, including:

  • Why now was the time for a new book on customer interviewing skills, how it's different to other books on discovery
  • How the book has gone down, some of the feedback that she's gotten so far, and how she knew it had done the job she wanted it to
  • How to introduce customer research into companies which aren't currently up for it & sell the idea to leadership
  • Whether the techniques in the book constitute manipulation and whether she's worried they could be used for evil
  • Whether the book teaches you to be truly empathetic or is a guide to fake it till you make it, and whether this matters
  • How you don't need users to have empathy with you, and have to channel your inner rubber duck to make sure they open up to you
  • The importance of validating not just hypotheses but also validating your users by resisting the urge to correct their mistakes
  • Why you shouldn't use customer discovery interviews to try to sneak in sales or directly try to stop people churning

And much more!

Buy Deploy Empathy

Deploy Empathy cover

"Deploy Empathy will help you learn the skill of talking to your customers—learning to truly listen to them—so that you can pull out their hidden needs, desires, and processes. Empathy is a skill that anyone can learn. Armed with the tactics you’ll learn in this book and the toolbox of scripts and phrases, you'll be able to sell more of your existing product, build the right features that will delight your customers, and stop churn in its tracks."

Visit the book website or check it out on Amazon or Goodreads.

Contact Michele

You can contact Michele on Twitter or check out deployempathy.com.

Michele Hansen and me before the recording